SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Sun, 2 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 88 In this issue: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" various Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Juices tired and discouraged Re: various Re: some helpful supplements Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Re: Juices thank you Montreal area Re: various Re: courtesy and respect Re: barometric pressure -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:44:47 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E26@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Today, I was reading an advertisement for a newsletter from The Atkins Health Center and I realized that when you compare SCD with "The Zone", "Protien Power", "The Atkins Diet" (called the low carbohydrate diet) and a diet I found in Hal Huggins book, "It's All in Your Head" they are all very similar. I found this to be encouraging. I realized that SCD basically represented the CORRECT way we should eat, not just something that we should follow to get well and then back to the "real way" we should eat. I realized that the perspective that I should stay on this diet until my symptoms went away, and then I can gradually go back to a near "normal" diet, as long as I stay away from sugar and white bread, has been the major source of recurrent flares for me. We simply were not intended to eat a whole lot of these types of foods, if at all. This is probably obvious to all of you, but I guess I am particularly slow. I don't know if this will help anyone else, but I thought I'd post it in case it might encourage someone else as much as it encouraged me. For what it's worth... Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew P Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: various Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971101204047.17270A-100000@larry.cc.emory.edu> I too have noticed seasonal variation on my UC, as well as smoking. I put myself into remission once by smoking a strong cigarette every two waking hours, along with the SCD. As I cut back, I started bleeding again. I've quit smoking since then, and occasionally have some symptoms (a bit of blood sporadically, and some energy loss) and most days are problem free. I think I've achieved maximum benefit from the diet. I don't think smoking is the way to go, neither is prednisone, but I do think either can help in the short term. Both are hard to kick. Personnaly, I am not offended by anyone expressing their feelings about their circumstances relative to their illness, even if they chose 4 or 6 letter words. I believe that we all have developed our own "culture of communication" and it is both entertaining and educational (to me) to see how others chose their words for expression and effect. If you put some fresh basil, garlic and pine nuts in a food processor, and mix it in with your Lois Lang's bread batter, you will have a delicious loaf of Pesto bread. Starkist makes a "lowfat, low sodium" tuna which contains only tuna and water. (Of course, it is more expensive than the ones full of additives). Since Coffee seems to irritate my colon, does anyone know of any thing (besides more sleep) which can keep me alert inn the morning at my boring job? Preferably legal on the diet and with the law! I am so amazed by the level of commitment evidenced by all the posts and the level of support is so heartwarming. Keep it up! Stay on the lookout for my Holiday SCD recipes posting which I am hoping to find the time to put together. Anyone with any ideas for "special" holiday meals, please post them for all of us to see! I am baffled by the constant never-ending yoghurt this, yoghurt that... for something so easy to prepare, so clearly outlined in the book... For those of you who have never tried braeburn or fiji apples, now is the season! They are very delicious in my humble opinion. Sorry for the "stream of consciousness" style. I just rememberred what I wanted to say. I've got excema, and I'm sure it's almost an external version of my colitis. Sounds weird, huh>? But prednisone alleviates the symptoms of both ailments, and both come back. The SCD works on my colitis, but not on my excema. I'm thinking of seeing a homeopathic specialist. for both UC and excema. Has anyone tried this route for either? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:50:20 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <bcfdcbc4.345c065f@aol.com> Dear Pat, I know exactly what you mean. I,ve never been looking for a diet to solve just one problem, but have been a firm believer in treating the whole body for optimal health and that would solve all the problems that I have since everything is connected anyway. I think this diet is a little strict, as it needs to be, to put the body back to working order. Following that with a low-carbo diet for continued good health. I have a big question though. Tonight for example - went out to dinner with friends. I had to ask certain questions to order my dinner and of course people say - why that, or why did you ask about etc, and don't you eat your rice or potato? They want to know more about low-carbo diets and what books are good and how it effects their HDL, they are so into the low fat thing. For people who do not have intestinal disorders, or think they don't, which one of the low-carbo books best describes a program that can be followed for general good health? I've read the zone, and although there are similarities, I still think it leaves too much room for carbos. I wonder what Elaine would recommend as a general diet for people who are just afraid of heart disease and cancer ? I've been on so many "health diets" (vegetarian, macrobiotics, candida, reversing heart disease etc) my friends just nod when I tell them I have a new diet. By the way, it seems to be working for me. Almost one month and I have much less bloating and many less trips to the bathroom. Sorry I was so lengthy, I guess it was the dry red wine at dinner. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:39:21 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Juices Message-ID: <01bce751$abaf7060$LocalHost@default> >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >What do you guys think of juicing? I have been giving my son a juice of >carrots, celery, and kale, diluted at least 50% with water. > >Moira Moira: How is your child to-day, better i would hope. My opinion, the half juice and water are likely fine, as long as you do your own juicing. Take it slow and try only one at a time. I find two or three nice fresh carrots and one large apple juiced, make an exellent tasting drink and with natural sugars it is a nice quick pick me up. William ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:39:51 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <scd-list@longisland.com> Subject: tired and discouraged Message-ID: <01bce75a$1f695180$LocalHost@default> -- >>Dear William, >> >>He is horribly allergic to dairy, I have held off so far on doing any of >the >>yogurt or dry curd foods so far. Also, he does not tolerate nuts or eggs >>well. So far, we have been eating lots of fish, meat, veggies, etc. very >>little fruit, he has candida from years of antibiotics. >> >>Moira Hi Moira: Yes it is understandable that you are tired and discouraged. You must take care of your own health, even more now that your work load is much heavier than normal. I have always been of the opinion there should be a Metal of Bravery in the Line of Duty for Mothers such as yourself. PLEASE, if you have the book, (and if you dont be sure to get it) read Breaking the Vicious Cycle, page 44 bottom half of page. Re: yogurt and dry curd cottage cheese benifits. Also Please read in same book page 56 bottom paragraph, Foods Not Permited Re: Milk products not allowed in this diet. I would hope this will give you a better insight to why we on the diet can eat dry curd cottage cheese and yoghurt. As well if you still have doubts try to contact Elaine for her opinion. >>well. Sometimes I get discouraged. >>Why do you think yogurt is so important??? >>Also, my own health is bad as I have spent 3 years at least chasing down >>therapies for my son, I am hoping this is going to get him better, it looks >>like it will. But I am very fatigued from years of stress over this. snip>> Good luck I hope this will be of some benifit to you and your entire family. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:45:25 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: various Message-ID: <199711021116.DAA11568@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> > The SCD works on my colitis, but not on my excema. I'm thinking > of seeing a homeopathic specialist. for both UC and excema. Has > anyone tried this route for either? Michael, My daughter has excema. A homeopath told me to immediately cut out eggs from her diet completely. I did and the excema was gone shortly thereafter. It was an egg allergy. Barb Vancouver, B.C., Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 05:41:24 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102063908.2e977f0c@megamed.com> > ><< c) Did you know, FYI: the ALE of a Russian male is currently around 50? > (Russky women around 60) supposedly due to alcoholism & smoking? (of > course, they don't mention that they tend to get shot a lot, and eat some > of the most shitty food you can ingest) >> > >Did you also know that the ALE of Russian males has dropped by 5 years in the >last 7 years? > > Not to mention a lot of toxins, spills, etc, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:16:59 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: some helpful supplements Message-ID: <fca9e516.345c8b2e@aol.com> Hi everyone, I just returned from a trip to see my doctors, and came across some vaulable information you may find interesting. You may be familiar with some of these supplements, but I included them anyway. CAT'S CLAW -- heals tumors, ulcers, and other inflamatory conditions, stimulate the immune system in a manner as to increase phagocytic activity, relieves symptoms of fibromyaglia, sytemic lupus, shingles, Crohn's muscle pains and elevated cholesterol. It helps with various disorders including leaky gut syndrome, diverticulosis, gastritis, Crohn's, and parasitic problems. It rivals other herbs as well as OTC medicines in its influence on cleansing the colon and restoring funciton, as well as correcting flora imbalance. GLUCOSAMINE - a natural alternative for NSAIDs used for inflamation of arthritis in the joints. IT encourages collagen growth, the principle component of connective tissue. Other herbal supplements that aid in the anti-inflamtory process include: YUCCA, DEVIL'S CLAW, BROMELAIN, and SEA CUCUMBER. CURCUMIN - considered one of the nature's most powerful anti-inflamatory agents,yet also very safe. Showed significant beneficial effects on rheumatoid arthritis.. BUTYRIC ACID ENEMAS -- butyric acid is normally produced in normal colon. Inadequate production of butyric acid due to bad eating habbits results in masabsorption of essential nutrients, starvation of colon cells, poor healing, diarrhea, and colitis. Findings in Germany 10 UC patients who failed to respond to conventional therapies, were given enemas containing sodium butyric acid enemas for 2 weeks. After treatments, stool frequency went from almost 5 times a day to only 2x a day, the discharge of blood stopped completely, and endoscopic examninations showed reduction in inflamations. Similar studies in the US reached the same conclusion, that Butyric acid enemas provide an effective, low cost, non-toxic method of treating inflamatory dieseases of the colon. Butyric acid enemas supply the energy for colon cells to heal themselves. It went on to say that when this is followedf with a high fiber diet which contains cultured foods that support proper bacterial growth, problems like UC can be eliminated. The only supplier that offers butyric acid is: Tyler Encapsulations 2204-9 NW Birdsdale, Gresham, OR 97030 (503) 661- 5401 They only sellto licensed health -care prectitioners, so your doctor has to order for you. The sell a "kit" which includes all the necessary supplies to administer th enemas for 2 weeks. (article written in 'Alternatives for The Health Conscious Individual', Dr. David Williams. vol.5, No.5. November, 1993). Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:35:26 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102073311.08df8f20@megamed.com> Me too! Moira >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I also would like a copy of this article. Let me know >how to get one. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth W. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:35:32 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Juices Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102073316.08dfc6fe@megamed.com> Lucy, Do you have a candida problem? The thing that worries me about juices is that I may be feeding his candida. Elaine told me not to worry about candida, that the diet will take care of it, but I have a problem letting go of this concern. I know he has a candida problem from all the antibiotics he took. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:35:33 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: thank you Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102073318.08dfb4bc@megamed.com> Thanks, William, for the help, I will re-read page 44. My son had a bad 2 days, many symptoms came back, like staring at fans, fussiness, etc. The GOOD news is it shows this diet is working as there is regression if we go off of it. I also CLEANED out my kitchen so that even the biggest idiot could not mess up his diet. Yesterday I threw out the health food cereals that my older kids were eating. They like fresh, home made oatmeal anyway and they also love brown rice for breakfast. I do still have whole wheat bread in the freezer. I need it to make my other kids' lunches. I guess I could buy a locked freezer and put it out in the garage?? I am also going to read the next respite worker the riot act and say, give him ONLY the foods right here, nothing else! I tried that before and they did not get it! still gave him milk and cereal. GEEZ.....! I am wondering if fruit feeds candida? I would like to give him a half of a ripe pear? Again, thanks William! Moira > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:55:08 -0500 From: "Eric" <haberg@PO-Box.McGill.CA> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Montreal area Message-ID: <199711021458.JAA23999@chinook.CC.McGill.CA> Is anyone on this list in the Montreal area? I would like to compare notes about where to buy dry curd, ground almonds, etc.. Email me directly if you wish. Eric @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Eric & Liz <<<haberg@po-box.mcgill.ca>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:22:08 EST From: JARN3000 <JARN3000@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: various Message-ID: <25816413.345ca883@aol.com> Hi-- My life-long eczema has been 99% eliminated as soon as I eliminated wheat (which I did long prior to trying the SCD diet.) I eat eggs almost daily with no problem. I think many different food sensitivities can exhibit as skin problems, esp. for those of us with compromised intestininal tracts. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <971102115406_1669095953@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-02 08:42:10 EST, you write: << > ><< c) Did you know, FYI: the ALE of a Russian male is currently around 50? > (Russky women around 60) supposedly due to alcoholism & smoking? (of > course, they don't mention that they tend to get shot a lot, and eat some > of the most shitty food you can ingest) >> > >Did you also know that the ALE of Russian males has dropped by 5 years in the >last 7 years? > > Not to mention a lot of toxins, spills, etc, right? >> Lest we not forget Chernobyl! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:34:18 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: courtesy and respect Message-ID: <l03010d02b0826c8183b4@[206.112.46.20]> Dear All, It saddens me to raise this issue again, but I do so because someone of value has just left our list. This person has been on since the beginning (several years ago when Debbie Dowd and I were looking for a way to consolidate our daily mail and hit upon the original listserver). He is a kind, gentle and giving soul and he's left because he was offended by some foul language and continued childish bickering. Its happened before in the last several years, but he's had his fill. In my opinion, those of us dealing with chronic illness have a shorter fuse than most. Additionally this list is composed of people throughout the planet and with a wide variety of acceptable behavioral codes. The one thing we have in common is our desire to get well through the use of the SCD. Please lets all find a way to phrase our thoughts without hostility and to allow others to express theirs without fear of reprimand. Common courtesy and respect need to play an active role on this list if it is to survive. If anyone takes issue at what I've written, please respond in a private email. The last thing we need is for this call for peace to turn into WWIII. Thanks, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:35:06 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102123506.0069d400@smartt.com> At 07:47 PM 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> (By the way, Keith/Odd/Barb et al, is anyone making note of this, or we're >> just letting it mill our in our minds? I'm not too good on note-keeping >> myself) >> >> Dietmar > >I have so many notes now that I think I can consider myself >'Intestinally obsessed'. > >Barb <overstuffing the C: Drive........again> > > > Ah, so THAT'S what you meant by "healing overkill"! ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #88 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 3 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 89 In this issue: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Morning Tea RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" RE: Juices Re: barometric pressure recipes RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Morning Tea Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article slow improvement on SCD Re: SCD-list V1 #88 dry curd cottage cheese in SF Re: slow improvement on SCD Re: Good news Re: slow improvement on SCD Re: initial resistance Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article ANY DOCTORS USING HEPARIN YET ? Re: slow improvement on SCD Re: courtesy and respect Re: Morning Tea Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: courtesy and respect RE: SCD-list V1 #88 Re: initial resistance More yoghurt Re: courtesy and respect RE: slow improvement on SCD RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Messages Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Good news Re: Good news -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:01:37 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102160137.006a827c@smartt.com> To those people who are requesting photocopies of this article ... please sort yourselves out by region, and e-mail your request directly accordingly: - if you're in Europe, contact <keith.monroe@mcmail.com> - if you're in Canada, contact <painsolv@smartt.com> ... that's me - if you're in the USA, contact Keith & ask him who the US person is (I can't remember right now, he'll know) - if you're somewhere else, contact Keith & arrange something So please try it again ... that way no one person (i.e. Keith) will have to shell out all the expense & effort. Sincerely, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Morning Tea Message-ID: <971102200345_-823148047@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Hello. For those of you suffering from diarrhea, someone told me about a Japanese tea called Morning Tea. It contains KUZU, BANCHA TEA, and GINGER. A lady who had cured herself of CD 16 years ago told me about it, and who to ask for the recipe. She was on the macrobiotic diet and herbal supplemets, and the lady who gave me the recipe for the tea is a macrobiotic specialist (I am still loyal to SCD). She told me that the tea should give me a regular BM, and to stop drinking it as soon as the BM is back to normal as the body may become depended on it. It should not be drunk for more than one month, and the time it takes for it to work differs from person to person. Has anyone heard of this tea and used it? I made the first batch today. It tases OK, but nothing I would drink for pleasing my palete. Also, while on the topic of strange brews, has anyone heard or used Sweedish Bitters? Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:09:45 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E2B@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Jane, I have not read it yet but it looks to me that the Atkins Diet book has worked well for many and seems to be pretty balanced. The problem is that the "low-fat" mentality has so permeated the media's and people's minds that they think that low fat is the way to go. Carbo's, however, are what make us fat and probably are what damage so many peoples GI. Atkins seems to help dispel this myth, as does THE ZONE and PROTIEN POWER. I did not like the zone as I found that it was far too complex and caused anxiety just wondering if what you were eating would put you in, or out of, the ZONE plus the carbs are grains and such. Protien Power seems to be easier to follow and several people I know are getting good results with it in terms of weight loss etc. Concerning fat and cholesterol, I actually have had the opposite problem, low cholesterol. Not one doc has ever said one word to me about it until just recently, when a doctor said it was THE thing that troubled him the most about my blood chemistry. It was 137 and has been as low as 121 in the past. Plus, I recently read in 2 different books that low cholesterol was not a good thing at all. That there was a high incidence of cancer and low cholesterol. There have been periods over the past 10 years where I have had to have monthly blood tests for liver enzymes to be sure that Candida drugs were not injuring my liver, so I have lots of data on my cholesterol. Interestingly, my symptoms track very closely with the movement of my cholesterol. A few years back, I had a very bad flare up of lots of GI and assorted symptoms, the first blood test at that time showed me at 135, the next at 121. I remember feeling very, very badly. Gradually over the next 6 months I got feeling, better and better and my cholesterol level gradually rose to 168. Coincidence? I have never been a vegetarian and before onset of the flare I was eating a fairly "American" diet, so my cholesterol should have been high but instead was very low. Every time, in fact, that I have flared in the past 10 years my cholesterol was 137 or lower. Hal Huggins, in his book, "It's All In Your Head" which is about mercury amalgams says that low cholesterol is a marker for mercury poisioning since he has found that mercury interferes with the bodies mfg. of cholesterol. He says that until the "low fat" cholesterol craze, nutritional doctors considered 220-225 cholesterol to be the ideal or norm. Cholesterol is a needed and healthy substance in the body and if your diet does not provide it, then the body will make more of it. He has found that people eating 2-3 eggs per day and upwards of 1/4 pound of real butter (thats right 1/4 pound!) always tended to normalize their cholesterol right in this range regardless of whether or not they had high OR low cholesterol. So much for a low fat diet. Glad SCD is working for you. I have been on it now 37 days and I have never come out of a flare up this quickly, never! SCD and butter for me!! Does anyone else have any data or further info on this subject?? Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Kebridan [SMTP:Kebridan@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 9:50 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Pat, > I know exactly what you mean. I,ve never been looking for a diet to > solve > just one problem, but have been a firm believer in treating the whole > body for > optimal health and that would solve all the problems that I have since > everything is connected anyway. I think this diet is a little strict, > as it > needs to be, to put the body back to working order. Following that > with a > low-carbo diet for continued good health. I have a big question > though. > Tonight for example - went out to dinner with friends. I had to ask > certain > questions to order my dinner and of course people say - why that, or > why did > you ask about etc, and don't you eat your rice or potato? They want > to know > more about low-carbo diets and what books are good and how it effects > their > HDL, they are so into the low fat thing. For people who do not have > intestinal disorders, or think they don't, which one of the low-carbo > books > best describes a program that can be followed for general good health? > I've > read the zone, and although there are similarities, I still think it > leaves > too much room for carbos. I wonder what Elaine would recommend as a > general > diet for people who are just afraid of heart disease and cancer ? > I've been > on so many "health diets" (vegetarian, macrobiotics, candida, > reversing heart > disease etc) my friends just nod when I tell them I have a new diet. > By the > way, it seems to be working for me. Almost one month and I have much > less > bloating and many less trips to the bathroom. Sorry I was so > lengthy, I > guess it was the dry red wine at dinner. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:09:50 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Juices Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E2D@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Moira, I have been treated for 10 years, off and on, for what the docs described to me as having a "severe" Candida infection. Since I was "stuck" in a 10 year cycle of having Candida, and then supposedly being "cured", I was looking for something to "break the vicious cycle" so to speak :-) This Sepetember, when I had yet another major flare up, I found the SCD diet. At first, the idea of actually eating a piece of fruit or something with honey in it, was shocking to me. I would always get a very heavy coating of thrush when I was on the candida diet and on the anti-fungal drugs, so I was concerned that I was going to feed the beasts! To my suprise and delight, what Elaine says in the book was exactly my experience. Simple sugars like fruit and honey seemed to be absorbed into my system rapidly giving me needed energy, with NO symptoms whatsoever. Prior to SCD, the complex carbo's allowed on the Candida Diet caused me immense problems with alternating major diahrea and constipation , bloating, gas etc. When I was on the Candida diet, I did not associate these symptoms with complex carbos but rather I blamed the candida. I ALWAYS keep a journal of symptoms and what I eat when I am sick, and now, can look back in it and the incidence's of major GI symptoms are so obviously linked to the carbo's, it pains me that I did not see it then. On SCD, while in the middle of a flare up (I had had the D for about 16 days straight when I started SCD), I first tried taking a teaspoon of raw honey and mixing it in a glass of water. After drinking it, I thoroughly expected increased symptoms, instead nothing! In fact, my D gradually abated until about 5 days later it had stopped. Normal bm's started in about 2 days and have continued since. I gradually added apples and bananas and raisins, all of which are not allowed on the candida diet. I had no problems with any. In addition, not only did I not get thrush, but the thin coating on my tongue that seems ever present went away. The only thing I have problems with on SCD are the dry curd cottage cheese, yogurt and the allowed cheeses. These give me nausea and bloating. I expect that eventually I will be able to eat these as well. I am telling you this so that you might gain courage to at least try what Elaine says. I know I am only one person and that does not make for scientific proof, but perhaps you'd be willing to give a try. I think that the body that is wanting to heal itself, needs the energy found in simple, rapidly absorbed sugar that it can use. It is hard to go against things that we have been taught so completely like the candida diet, but I truly believe, at least in my own experience, that SCD is right and the candida diet is wrong. Also, you should know that I have read, though can't remember where, that there are a number of doctors who do not disallow fruit on their version of the candida diet, so even they don't agree. Hope this helps! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 7:36 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Juices > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lucy, > > Do you have a candida problem? > > The thing that worries me about juices is that I may be feeding his > candida. > Elaine told me not to worry about candida, that the diet will take > care of > it, but I have a problem letting go of this concern. I know he has a > candida > problem from all the antibiotics he took. > > Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:53:30 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102175330.006b4398@smartt.com> At 01:00 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Careful What you ask for...Dietmar and Gang - I have isolated the research >upon which I based my hypothoses. I have included links only, because the >actual abstracts are lengthy. Hope this helps - and Dietmar - thanks for >putting me to the test - I will be sure to cite from this point forward. > These links are to Alan Kennedy's site which I take to be biased, although >the research from which he draws his conclusions is legitimate. > Didn't mean to "put you on the spot", but it sure does help when statments have sources instead of just "I've heard" or "they say" (yeah, yeah, I know, I do that all the time ... people in glass houses ...!) Thank you for going the extra mile, Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: recipes Message-ID: <971102212725_160744222@emout11.mail.aol.com> Hello, I found a few more recipes good for SCD. Here are some of them: Hope you like them, Simone :) MIDWESTERN TURKEY MEATBALLS WITH YOGURT AND DILL SAUCE 1lb ground turkey =BC tsp. Cinnamon 1C yogurt, divided 1/8 tsp. Ground cloves =BD onion, chopped =BC tsp. Chili powder 1 Tbs. Lemon juice 1 =BD tsp. Fresh dill or =BC C parsley, chopped =BD tsp. Dried dill =BD tsp. Garlic, minced =BC tsp. Pepper =BD tsp. Salt Preheat oven to 400*. Mix the turkey with 3 Tbs. Yogurt, onion, lemon juice, parsley, garlic, salt, cinnamon, cloves, and chili powder. Shape into 20 meatballs, each 1 =BD " in diameter. Place on a shallow pan and bake 25 minutes turning meatballs once midway through. While the meatballs are cooking, mix remaining yogurt, dill, and pepper to make the sauce. =20 To serve, pour yogurt dill sauce over meatballs. DIJON TURKEY BURGERS 2 tsp. Oil 2 Tbs. Parsley, chopped 1 C onion, chopped =BD tsp. Salt 1 lb. Ground turkey =BC tsp. Pepper 3 Tbs. Mustard (Dijon) Saut=E9 onions in oil until lightly browned. Mix all ingredients together and shape into 5 patties. Cook in skillet on medium heat approximately 12 minutes. SALMON PATTIES WITH=20 CUCUMBER AND DILL SAUCE PATTIES: CUCUMBER DILL SAUCE: 1 can (14 =BE oz.) salmon =BD C yogurt 2/3 C almond flour =BC sm. Cucumber, seeded =BC C liquid and diced 2 eggs, beaten =BD sm. Tomato, diced fine 3 Tbs. Onion, finely chopped 1 Tbs. Onion, finely chopped 1 Tbs. Fresh dill 1 Tbs. Fresh dill, or =BD tsp. Salt and Pepper =BE tsp. Dried dill 2 tsp. butter=09 PATTIES: Drain salmon. Combine all ingredients together. Form 6 patties Cook in butter in skillet over medium heat about 4 minutes on each side or until browned. SAUCE: Mix all ingredients well. Serve over patties ORANGE SPICED BABY CARROTS (serving :4)=20 =BD C water =BD tsp. Vanilla extract =BD C orange juice =BC tsp. Nutmeg 1 Tbs. Butter 1 =BD tsp. Orange zest 1 lb. Baby carrots Put water, orange juice, and butter in a sauce pan. Add carrots. Cover tightly and simmer on low heat=20 25 minutes or until carrots are crisp-tender. =20 Check occasionally to make sure carrots don=92t burn.=20 If needed, add a few Tbs water. Sprinkle carrots with vanilla, nutmeg, and orange zest. Mix well. DILL ROASTED CARROTS (Yield: 2 =BD Cups) 1 lb. Tender carrots =BC tsp. Salt 1 =BD Tbs. Better dash pepper =BC tsp. Dry-dill 1 Tbs. Water 1 tsp. Fresh dill Preheat oven to 375*. Pare carrots and scrub well. =20 Cut into strips, like french fries. Place carrots in middle of a piece of heavy-duty foil. Dot with butter, and sprinkle with seasonings and water. Wrap the carrots securely in foil, and crimp the edges. Bake 45 minutes or until carrots are tender. GRANNY SMITH APPLE SAUCE (serves: 4) 2 lb. Granny Smith Apples honey to sweeten 2 Tbs. Fresh lemon juice =BC tsp. Nutmeg (opt) 1 C water =BC tsp. Vanilla (opt) =BC tsp. Cinnamon Pare, core and cut apples into bite - size pieces. Put them=20 in a large heavy pot. Add lemon juice and water. Mix well. Bring to boil, cover, and simmer gently until apples are soft. Remove from heat. Add cinnamon and honey. Mix well with wooden spoon (metal may darken the sauce). BUTTERNUT SQUASH PUREE (serves: 4) =20 1 butternut squash, 1 quarter size slice of=20 peeled, seeded, and fresh ginger root sliced 2-3 C chicken stock 1 shallot, peeled, =BD tsp. Salt and sliced =BC tsp. Ground cardamom =09 Preheat oven to 450*. Place squash, shallots, ginger root, and 1 cup chicken stock in a shallow pan and bake 1 hour or until squash is soft. Place pan contents in food processor with steel blade. Process until smooth, gradually adding stock,=20 salt, cardamom until puree. Reheat if necessary. STUFFED ACORN SQUASH (serves: 4) 2 C water 1 C cranberries (fresh or frozen) 2 acorn squash, halved, =BC tsp. Cinnamon and seeded =BD tsp. Salt =BD sm. Spanish onion, 2 Tbs. Walnuts, chopped (opt) chopped 1 egg white =BD Granny Smith apple, 3 tsp. Orange juice or=20 peeled and diced apple cider Preheat oven to 400*. Bake squash for 35 minutes, cut side down in a large dish with 1 =BD cup = water in it.=20 While squash is baking, prepare filling. Combine onion, apple, and celer= y in a medium - low heat for 15 minutes or until apple is soft. Remove from h= eat and add remaining ingredients. =20 Remove squash from oven and cool enough to handle. Scoop out half of the flesh, leaving enough so the squash retains its shape. Do not break the skin. =20 Add scraped out squash to apple mixture. Divide stuffing into 4 parts an= d fill the squash shells. Bake for 30 minutes or until tender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:12:47 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102191247.006b9634@smartt.com> > SCD and butter for me!! > >Does anyone else have any data or further info on this subject?? > >Pat Hi, Patrick: Yes, I fully agree with you about butter and fat in general: I'm 5'5", normally about 128#, with a blood pressure of 120/80 (that's like "picture perfect" for my "advanced age" of 40-ish), and I have never had a phobia about eating fats (except rancid fats like beef tallow or real heavy-fried stuff) like butter & cheese. And after reading Sears' "The Zone" I decided that fat was definitely something NOT to avoid, and it never appeared to give me any problems; it was the carbo's that seem to really be the culprits, so with all this "No Fat / Low Fat" craze (like Frito's "Baked Corn Chips" ... yuk! Like cardboard!), I've always felt it was idiotic to fall for that. Sears explains really well why this fear of fat is the most stupid trap one can fall into, when instead one should be "scared of sugar" and "sad about starch" ... And he explains beautifully (though you may have to put on your thinking cap & read the chapters several times to understnad the scientific chain reactions) why fatties aren't fat because they EAT fat, they're fat because they DON'T eat fat! HOw's THAT for an eye-openener, eh? He says what makes you fat is actually refined carbo's, and if you've ever noticed (espe. in the USA, which seems to be THE land of fatties!) the shopping carts of fat folks, well, they're all full of "low fat" "diet" crap, but it's all refined carbohydrates, which is exactly the stuff they shoudl NOT be eating! I tell you, the industrial food industry is amazing in its power to shape human habits & fill its coffers while not giving a damn about killing people: you'd thnk that they'd figure "Well, if we kill our customers, where's the sense in that?" But I guess they just say "Oh well, they'll die a nice slow chronic-disease death, meanwhile they're spending their bucks on our crap, plus lots more on our medical subsidiaries / off-shoots, so what's to lose? Let's sock it to 'em!" One thing that really motivates ME to eat healthy food instead of industrial food (besides the fact that healthy fresh food simply tastes like food .... delicious) is when I compare what a pound of gummy bears or chocolate bar costs (say: U$5 a pound), and what that same money will buy me in real food (like: Fuji apples 89 cents/#, head of Romaine lettuce 89 cents, beautiful NY Strip Loin steak $6/#, etc.) ... it just doesn't make sense (AND CENTS!) to pay so much money for (basically) sugar & flour with some colour & flavour to disguise it! Or does it make any sense to you out there? Just asking (you're heard of rhetorical question?) ... please don't inundate me with replies! Best wishes, Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:17:47 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Morning Tea Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102191747.006be23c@smartt.com> > >Also, while on the topic of strange brews, has anyone heard or used Sweedish >Bitters? > >Regards, > >Simone > Yes, (if by that you mean the herbal tincture made / extracted with alcohol). I've both a) had variations of it in the form of various German "herbal" medicines (they're usually sold in delicatessens here in Canada), and b) my aunt made some for me once. In all cases I must say I had one sip and it felt like my bowel was being killed: it was NOT a pleasant experience, presumably because the alcohol (it's usually a 30% or so base) is deadly to the colitis, and in no way makes up for any possible benefits from the herbs. It stems from European folk medicine, but let's remember, in those days they were all "hewers of wood & drawers of water", they wre all sturdy country people / peasants, and anybody with colitis wasn't around long enough to see the next day's rising sun because the rigors of that life simply eliminated them (if it even existed then!). Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:20:14 -0700 (MST) From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <v03110702b0822a8af0d3@[169.197.36.82]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I also would like a copy of this article. Let me know >how to get one. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth W. Sheila: Please add me to the list and how to obtain a copy. ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <971102234532_341431959@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone ! I have a very question someone may be able to shed some information on. It has been exactly 1 month since I started the SCD diet. So far most of my bloating and cramping has gone away almost from the begining. The only flare -up I had was a week ago due to allergic reactions to the Asacol (which I am no longer taking-- or any other drug for that matter). Those symptoms have gone away since I stopped medication. Also my bad arthritis pain seemed to have almost gone away. However, the chronic "D" (diarrhea) has not improved. And I still get those dull cramping pains in my lower abdomen that anounce a BM. I don't have BMs more than 4-5 times a day (3 or 4 is the norm, give or take ), but it is not normal in any shape or form. Sometimes there is some solidity, but before I get excited about it, it gets bad again. (This is so embarrassing - talking about my BMs over the internet.) Do any of you know why there is pain before BM? I keep forgetting to ask my doctor. The visits are so traumatizing for me that I forget everything the minute I step into his examination room (he is a colon / rectal surgeon. Need I say more?). I would like to ask Elaine myself, but I feel she must be really busy. I had her number, but it got shuffled with the tons of info I have on CD and the SCD. Have any of you experienced such long BM improvement? In case you may ask, my diet consists of chicken (usually breast), and turkey (ground breast usually), fish, eggs, cheddar cheese, zucchini, bananas, dates, cheese cake when ever I get DCCC, honey to sweeten herbal teas, watered down Welche's red grape juice to help with wash down the bad taste of vitamins and psyllium, and occassionally a baked apple. Am I doing something wrong? I tried eliminating raw veggies and fruits for the purpose of getting rid of the diarrhea. I am at a loss. Any help is much appreciated. Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:31:15 EST From: SHADOWPUP <SHADOWPUP@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #88 Message-ID: <9e2a1f3a.345d6176@aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-02 19:04:48 EST, you write: >>Moira writes: << I am wondering if fruit feeds candida? I would like to give him a half of a ripe pear? >> YES - fruit is sugar - natural or not. it doesnt mean he cant have a little every now and then and see if it is tolerable. but fruit IS sugar. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:51:22 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: dry curd cottage cheese in SF Message-ID: <199711030646.WAA01284@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Moira, As a matter of fact, ther are other members in the SF bay area. I live in SF, Prateeksha is in San Rafael, and there may be others as well. My son matthew(12) was diagnossed with CD earlier this year, so I also am here as the parent of a dieter. Anyway I buy baker's cheese in San Francisco at a cheese store at 415 Divisadero called The Country Cheese Co. The phone # is:621-8130. If your son is allergic to lactose, then this cheese should be OK. There is almost none in it. If he is allergic to milk protein or something like that, then it might be a different story. I also have a local supplier of almond flour if you are interested. Good luck, Steve "Listening to the monotonous stacatto of raindrops on the window sill, and reading my name on my office window: REGNAD KCIN" Nick Danger, Third Eye ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:21:57 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <l03010d00b08362aaa009@[206.112.46.20]> Dear Simone, Your diet looks fine except for maybe the pysllium. Why are you taking that? Is that what things like metemucil is made of? I don't know enough about it but except for that, the other foods (are your vitimins additive free?) look fine. Maybe try a week without the physlium & see if the D lets up. Elaine's phone # is 905-349-3443 Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:34:48 -0500 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <345DD2F8.3635F639@bedford.net> Mary wrote: > The two therapists who worked with my son noticed a difference in him. > I > found out that the respite worker had given him not only 2 ripe > bananas, but > as much cereal and milk as he wanted. He was totally spacey and > started > spacing out on fans again. Gosh! Anyway, the good news is, he is back > on the > diet. I have a new respite worker for next Thursday and am praying she > can > just feed him what I have already prepared for him in the > refrigerator. I am > literally afraid to leave this house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Mary, Why don't you actually write down a menu for the day... How about bags marked with "breakfast", "snack", "lunch", etc... Make a phone call to the worker, talk to them personally so that there is no misunderstanding. I was thinking about your situation, and I almost wouldn't blame your first worker -- this diet is just too damn weird for any normal human being to understand. Also, do you think that your son may have manipulated him/her? What child would not try and get away with something with the babysitter? Of course, the worker may have just been an idiot too.... Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:18:31 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971103071615.272fd12a@megamed.com> At 11:45 PM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello everyone ! > >I have a very question someone may be able to shed some information on. > >It has been exactly 1 month since I started the SCD diet. So far most of my >bloating and cramping has gone away almost from the begining. The only flare >-up I had was a week ago due to allergic reactions to the Asacol (which I am >no longer taking-- or any other drug for that matter). Those symptoms have >gone away since I stopped medication. Also my bad arthritis pain seemed to >have almost gone away. > >However, the chronic "D" (diarrhea) has not improved. And I still get those >dull cramping pains in my lower abdomen that anounce a BM. I don't have BMs >more than 4-5 times a day (3 or 4 is the norm, give or take ), but it is not >normal in any shape or form. Sometimes there is some solidity, but before I >get excited about it, it gets bad again. (This is so embarrassing - talking >about my BMs over the internet.) > >Do any of you know why there is pain before BM? I keep forgetting to ask my >doctor. The visits are so traumatizing for me that I forget everything the >minute I step into his examination room (he is a colon / rectal surgeon. > Need I say more?). > >I would like to ask Elaine myself, but I feel she must be really busy. I had >her number, but it got shuffled with the tons of info I have on CD and the >SCD. > >Have any of you experienced such long BM improvement? > >In case you may ask, my diet consists of chicken (usually breast), and turkey >(ground breast usually), fish, eggs, cheddar cheese, zucchini, bananas, >dates, cheese cake when ever I get DCCC, honey to sweeten herbal teas, > watered down Welche's red grape juice to help with wash down the bad taste >of vitamins and psyllium, and occassionally a baked apple. > >Am I doing something wrong? I tried eliminating raw veggies and fruits for >the purpose of getting rid of the diarrhea. I am at a loss. > >Any help is much appreciated. > >Regards, > >Simone > > > >Dear Simone, Are we allowed psyllium on this diet? I asked Elaine and she said absolutely not. Could that be the problem? Also, don't be afraid to call her. I have called her and she is very nice. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 09:23:14 PST From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Moira wrote: >>Also, can a child have it who is allergic to dairy?? Hi Moira, I believe it depends on whether he is allergic to milk protein (in which case, NO), or lactose intolerant (in which case, YES). If you have tried the SCD-style yogurt, and he is intolerant/allergic to it, then the chances are that he will have the same reaction to the dry curd cottage cheese. Also, have you tried to give him "good bacteria" supplements? They make some in powders that do not contain milk as a base. Look for one that has directions for children. And I'm curious if he's ever been on an antifungal? My doctor had me take Diflucan for one week, followed by a continuing regimen of non-prescription anti-fungals. This helped my candida problem tremendously. Kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:08:32 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: painsolv@smartt.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <199711031508.JAA00417@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> I'm in yankeeland (well, Texas anyway). Any way for me to get a hold of this article? Thanks, Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Fri Oct 31 19:53 CST 1997 > X-Sender: painsolv@smartt.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:48:41 -0800 > To: scd-list@longisland.com > From: painsolv@smartt.com > Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 05:37 PM 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote: > >Dempsey wrote: > >> > >> Keith, > >> > >> I too am very interested in the technical paper you have on "Intestinal > >> Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease". I have had a problem with > >> overgrowth of klebsiella and have had various auto-immune problems. I > >> realize it could get very expensive for you if a lot of people are > >> interested, I would be happy to reimburse you for copying and postage > >> costs. Otherwise, if you could tell me where I might come across it on > >> my own, I'd greatly appreciate it. > > > >Hello Denise, > > > >You're near CA's capital city, Sacramento, aren't you? > > > >I sent you the paper today. I hope it arrives okay. > > > >Don't worry about reimbursing me ... it cost me about $2.10 but if you > >send cash, I can't spend it here in Europe, and if you send a check, the > >bank will charge more than the face value to deposit it. Anyways, it's > >not going to put me in the poor house :?) > > > >To tell true, I doubt very much that there will be a large demand for > >this document. It's very technical so I don't suppose many other people > >will want it. Only you, Odd, and Dietmar have asked for it so far but > >maybe if there are a couple other requests, could I ask one of you to > >copy your paper and mail it please? > > > > 1) As Keith writes, it IS quite technical (ie. you have to really be > conversant with medical lingo to get anything out of it ... i.e. if you > don't know what "dysbiosis" means right off the batthen don't even bother > asking for it, that's your first clue that you won't understand much in it) > > 2) Anyone living in Canada who wants a copy, you can ask me. > > 3) I would suppose (speaking for Denise here without having asked her > permission) that she'd be OK with sending a coopy to anyone in Yankeeland > once she receives her own? > > ... "Ask, and it shall be gotten unto you", or something like that? > > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Keith. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 10:03:00 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: ANY DOCTORS USING HEPARIN YET ? Message-ID: <9711031603.AA19003@swansong.amd.com> has anyone been able to get heparin (i.v. is best) therapy yet ? i have read on the CCFA page that heparin was discovered to be useful in treating UC by an irish doctor who treated a patient for a blood clot in the leg, who also had UC, in ten days all UC symptoms disappeared, he then tried heparin on additional UC patients with good results. ted ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:27:22 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <01bce875$5c86ff60$LocalHost@backpack> Simone, I found that dates, watered down grape juice, acid from tea, and apples all give me problems. I took these foods out of my diet and things improved for me. Your cramps before a BM may be gas. This happens to me a lot, after I eat vegetables (but veggies that don't give me D). Hope this helps. Glenn Simone said: >In case you may ask, my diet consists of chicken (usually breast), and turkey >(ground breast usually), fish, eggs, cheddar cheese, zucchini, bananas, >dates, cheese cake when ever I get DCCC, honey to sweeten herbal teas, > watered down Welche's red grape juice to help with wash down the bad taste >of vitamins and psyllium, and occassionally a baked apple. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: courtesy and respect Message-ID: <971103114035_1736345995@mrin38> Rachel: Well worded and very respectful message. "Can't we all just get along..." should be our theme moving forward. This, not only with regard to the list, but with regard to all interpersonal communcations in our lives. It is fantastic to have a vehicle such as this list source to discuss/support/share and yes, debate. Let us all remember that opinions and theories are but that, whether they be ours or others'. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:00:41 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Morning Tea Message-ID: <199711031700.LAA00721@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Simone, I tried a variant of the recipe you give below. I used kuzu, water, and soy sauce. I had been working with a macrobiotics counselor. It didn't do a darn thing for me. I tried it for several weeks. BUT, I have heard people say that it did help them. I guess I wasn't the lucky one. By the way, "kuzu" is the starch from a root. Probably not allowed on SCD, but if someone wants to give it a whirl, you can find it in a health food store with all the macrobiotic fare. Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Sun Nov 2 19:07 CST 1997 > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:04:51 -0500 (EST) > From: PI5DA@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Morning Tea > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1076 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello. > > For those of you suffering from diarrhea, someone told me about a Japanese > tea called Morning Tea. > > It contains KUZU, BANCHA TEA, and GINGER. > > A lady who had cured herself of CD 16 years ago told me about it, and who to > ask for the recipe. She was on the macrobiotic diet and herbal supplemets, > and the lady who gave me the recipe for the tea is a macrobiotic specialist > (I am still loyal to SCD). She told me that the tea should give me a > regular BM, and to stop drinking it as soon as the BM is back to normal as > the body may become depended on it. It should not be drunk for more than one > month, and the time it takes for it to work differs from person to person. > > Has anyone heard of this tea and used it? I made the first batch today. It > tases OK, but nothing I would drink for pleasing my palete. > > Also, while on the topic of strange brews, has anyone heard or used Sweedish > Bitters? > > Regards, > > Simone > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: JARN3000@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <971103120750_304829442@emout07.mail.aol.com> Hi Pat-- I found your remarks about cholesterol very interesting -- I too have always had an extremely low cholesterol, generally around 120's. I was hospitalized once a couple years ago with my worst-ever Crohn's flare, and my chol at that time was in the 90's! No doctor ever said a word to me about it. At that time I was a vegetarian, and had been for years, so I attributed my results to that. I was also extremely anemic (natch!), and both my internist and GI doc gave me hell over THAT, and I was finally threatened with TPN if I did not go out and "bite a cow!" to quote my internist. Soon after that I began to experiment by dribs and drabs with a wheat-free and then finally with a grain-free diet (per a naturopathic MD I saw briefly.) Now, on the SCD, eating meat again, eggs almost daily, butter, etc, my cholesterol was in the 130's when last checked. Hmmm...interesting...I'll have to follow up with some research on this. Can you name the books you mentioned that connect low-chol with cancer? By the way-- In the recent discussion about Mycobacterium paratuberculosis, someone alluded to it as the organism that causes TB. Mycobacterium "tuberculosis" is the causative organism for TB...the jury is still out on the M. paratuberculosis as a cause of disease in humans. The research is sure interesting but I didn't want any of you worrying about getting TB from dairy products. Crohn's maybe...but not TB! <g> Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:10:02 -0500 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: courtesy and respect Message-ID: <345E137A.5E467A87@bedford.net> Hey, isn't sweet talk and B.S. disallowed on the SCD? I'm either going to have to look it up or call Elaine. Or did you cook up this crap with honey? I don't know about everyone else, but I'm feeling a tad queasy. -------------------------- Denali321@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rachel: > > Well worded and very respectful message. "Can't we all just get > along..." > should be our theme moving forward. This, not only with regard to the > list, > but with regard to all interpersonal communcations in our lives. > > It is fantastic to have a vehicle such as this list source to > discuss/support/share and yes, debate. Let us all remember that > opinions and > theories are but that, whether they be ours or others'. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:23:55 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: SCD-list V1 #88 Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984610B768@LOGIXMAIL> Joan, I disagree with you on this. There are many TYPES of sugar as very well explained in SCD. Simple sugars found in honey and ripe fruits are rapidly absorbed and don't "feed" candida as do complex sugars and starches. The sick body needs a source of "glucose" to have the energy to heal! Having used both approaches, i.e. Candida Diets avoidance of all simple sugars and SCD's use of simple sugars, I have proven, in my own experience, that SCD is far, far superior and healthy. I know I am just a test of one! Does anyone else have experience in this area. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: SHADOWPUP [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 10:31 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #88 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > In a message dated 97-11-02 19:04:48 EST, you write: > > > >>Moira writes: > > << I am wondering if fruit feeds candida? I would like to give him a > half of a > ripe pear? >> > > > YES - fruit is sugar - natural or not. it doesnt mean he cant have a > little > every now and then and see if it is tolerable. but fruit IS sugar. > > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:35:15 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <88256544.0064050F.00@baxworld.com> Moira, I am in Southern California (Orange County) and have found out several things about the dry curd cottage cheese. 1) Alta Dena is listed as offering a DCC in Elaine's book. I called them and they asked if at all possible to let the publisher of the book know that they do NOT carry a DCC and would like to stop getting calls on the subject. The woman was very nice about it and happened to mention that she wanted to search for it on the www so she would have some kind of alternatives to give callers, but she hasn't had time to do it. That's what got me on the www and found the SCD Library Home Page and this discussion group. IF ANYONE CAN LET ELAINE KNOW THAT ALTA DENA DOES NOT OFFER DCC, PLEASE DO. 2) The local Whole Foods Market will order the DCC for me from Friendship Dairies. Here is a list of Whole Foods Markets in Northern California. Ask the cheese department to order it for you. Berkeley Palo Alto Whole Foods Market Whole Foods Market 3000 Telegraph Ave. 774 Emerson Street Berkeley, CA 94705 Palo Alto, CA 94301 510.649.1333 415.326.8676 510.649.1474 fax 415.326.0539 fax Campbell San Francisco Whole Foods Market Whole Foods Market 1690 S. Bascom Avenue 1765 California Street Campbell, CA 95008 (Corner of California & Franklin) 408.371.5000 San Francisco, CA 94109 408.371.8784 fax 415.674.0500 415.674.0505 fax Cupertino San Rafael Whole Foods Market Whole Foods Market 20830 Stevens Creek Blvd. 340 Third Street Cupertino, CA 95014 San Rafael, CA 94901 408.257.7000 415.451.6333 408.257.1475 fax 415.451.6344 fax Los Gatos Granary Whole Foods Market Whole Foods Market 15980 Los Gatos Blvd. 173 Central Avenue Los Gatos, CA 95032 Pacific Grove, CA 93950 408.358.4434 408.647.2153 408.358.4433 fax 415.451.6344 fax Mill Valley Opening Soon Whole Foods Market Monterey 414 Miller Ave. Whole Foods Market Mill Valley, CA 94941 800 Del Monte Center 415.381.1200 Monterey, CA 93940 415.381.1036 fax Opening 1998 3) Do you have Hughes stores in your area? Ask the cheese/deli section to order DCC for you. The Hughes here orders it from Friendship Dairies. They call if Farmer's Cheese. Elaine's book lists Friendship Dairies phone number as (415) 826-7080. You might be able to get it from them direct if they are local. Before I learned that the local Hughes and Whole Foods Market would order it for me I ordered from Seward's in New England. Although it arrived in good shape, I will try to buy it locally in the future. P.S. Seward's has carrageenan in it. In BVC on page 58 Elaine says don't use carrageenan. Should we not use this DCC then? Regards, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:54:51 +0100 From: Bernt Johansson <etxbtjn@sta.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: More yoghurt Message-ID: <345E1DFB.44D8@sta.ericsson.se> Hi all. I know that there's been a lot of messages concerning youghurt making the last weeks, but I would like to post this one anyway. A few months ago, there was a discussion whether you could use only commercial youghurt and "bake" it for 24 hours or not. I don't know if anyone tried that (at least I haven't seen any postings on it), but now I can tell you that, for the last few weeks, Iv'e eaten about three gallons of this kind of homemade commercial yoghurt with no negative reaction at all. I remember that a couple of weeks ago, in a discussion about if you could use to much commercial yoghurt as starter, someone said that commercial yoghurt could contain up to 30 percent lactose. I don't know about the U.S. commercial yoghurt, but here in Sweden, no commercial yoghurt (except the flavoured ones) contains more than seven percent carbohydrates (the flavoured ones around fifteen). Recently, there was a discussion/comparison on yoghurt preparation time. How about this: Two minutes to wash the container, one minute to pour in the yoghurt and put it in the oven - a total time of three minutes. Try to beat that if you can! Bernt Johansson Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: courtesy and respect Message-ID: <971103132729_104136087@emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 13:13:13 EST, you write: << Hey, isn't sweet talk and B.S. disallowed on the SCD? I'm either going to have to look it up or call Elaine. Or did you cook up this crap with honey? I don't know about everyone else, but I'm feeling a tad queasy. >> Responded to privately as is appropriate. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:25:35 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984610B790@LOGIXMAIL> Moira, Thanks for this info on psyllium not being allowed on the diet. Very interesting, as I have been using a little of it. Did she say why? Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 7:19 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 11:45 PM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hello everyone ! > > > >I have a very question someone may be able to shed some information > on. > > > >It has been exactly 1 month since I started the SCD diet. So far > most of my > >bloating and cramping has gone away almost from the begining. The > only flare > >-up I had was a week ago due to allergic reactions to the Asacol > (which I am > >no longer taking-- or any other drug for that matter). Those > symptoms have > >gone away since I stopped medication. Also my bad arthritis pain > seemed to > >have almost gone away. > > > >However, the chronic "D" (diarrhea) has not improved. And I still > get those > >dull cramping pains in my lower abdomen that anounce a BM. I don't > have BMs > >more than 4-5 times a day (3 or 4 is the norm, give or take ), but it > is not > >normal in any shape or form. Sometimes there is some solidity, but > before I > >get excited about it, it gets bad again. (This is so embarrassing - > talking > >about my BMs over the internet.) > > > >Do any of you know why there is pain before BM? I keep forgetting to > ask my > >doctor. The visits are so traumatizing for me that I forget > everything the > >minute I step into his examination room (he is a colon / rectal > surgeon. > > Need I say more?). > > > >I would like to ask Elaine myself, but I feel she must be really > busy. I had > >her number, but it got shuffled with the tons of info I have on CD > and the > >SCD. > > > >Have any of you experienced such long BM improvement? > > > >In case you may ask, my diet consists of chicken (usually breast), > and turkey > >(ground breast usually), fish, eggs, cheddar cheese, zucchini, > bananas, > >dates, cheese cake when ever I get DCCC, honey to sweeten herbal > teas, > > watered down Welche's red grape juice to help with wash down the bad > taste > >of vitamins and psyllium, and occassionally a baked apple. > > > >Am I doing something wrong? I tried eliminating raw veggies and > fruits for > >the purpose of getting rid of the diarrhea. I am at a loss. > > > >Any help is much appreciated. > > > >Regards, > > > >Simone > > > > > > > >Dear Simone, > > Are we allowed psyllium on this diet? I asked Elaine and she said > absolutely > not. Could that be the problem? > > > Also, don't be afraid to call her. I have called her and she is very > nice. > > Moira ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:36:12 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984610B793@LOGIXMAIL> Julie, Besides a doctor who siad this to me recently who has many years treating mercury toxic patients, I have read about the dangers of low cholesterol in Hal Huggins book, "It's all in your Head" and in Udo Erasmus book called, "Fat's that Heal, Fats that Kill." Both mention the dangers of low cholesterol in a "by the way" sort of way so there is not a ton of info on this. Both books are very good though. With the craze about High Cholesterol, I don't seem to find anything on the other side of the coin. Huggins says for many, many decades 220-225 was considered ideal and normative. He also says if he can get people off white sugar and refined carbos, and then get them to eat at least 2 eggs per day and up to 1/4 pound of butter that whether or not not they are high or low, their cholesterol will eventually normalize around 220. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: JARN3000@aol.com [SMTP:JARN3000@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 10:11 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Pat-- > > I found your remarks about cholesterol very interesting -- I too have > always > had an extremely low cholesterol, generally around 120's. I was > hospitalized > once a couple years ago with my worst-ever Crohn's flare, and my chol > at that > time was in the 90's! > No doctor ever said a word to me about it. At that time I was a > vegetarian, > and had been for years, so I attributed my results to that. I was > also > extremely anemic (natch!), and both my internist and GI doc gave me > hell over > THAT, and I was finally threatened with TPN if I did not go out and > "bite a > cow!" to quote my internist. Soon after that I began to experiment by > dribs > and drabs with a wheat-free and then finally with a grain-free diet > (per a > naturopathic MD I saw briefly.) Now, on the SCD, eating meat again, > eggs > almost daily, butter, etc, my cholesterol was in the 130's when last > checked. > Hmmm...interesting...I'll have to follow up with some research on > this. Can > you name the books you mentioned that connect low-chol with cancer? > > By the way-- In the recent discussion about Mycobacterium > paratuberculosis, > someone alluded to it as the organism that causes TB. Mycobacterium > "tuberculosis" is the causative organism for TB...the jury is still > out on > the M. paratuberculosis as a cause of disease in humans. The research > is > sure interesting but I didn't want any of you worrying about getting > TB from > dairy products. Crohn's maybe...but not TB! <g> > > Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:34:14 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Messages Message-ID: <88256544.0070CACB.00@baxworld.com> To the group: When I compose my email it looks great on my computer (Lotus Notes). But when I receive the message back from the SCD-list server it looks horrible. For instance, I just sent a message to Moira with a list of Whole Foods Markets and I had tabbed the stores into columns. When I got the message from the server it was all messed up! What am I doing wrong? Help! Linda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:47:00 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971103144445.2d87e4e6@megamed.com> Dear Pat and Julie, Regarding cholesterol, mine was so low awhile back that it was below 100. I was congratulated by the nurse and doctor. Very shortly thereafter, I was diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. Someone on another list said that the idea of cholesterol figures were made up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell drugs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:46:53 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971103144438.2d87d8bc@megamed.com> > Hi Mary, > >Why don't you actually write down a menu for the day... How about bags >marked with "breakfast", "snack", "lunch", etc... Make a phone call to >the worker, talk to them personally so that there is no >misunderstanding. I was thinking about your situation, and I almost >wouldn't blame your first worker -- this diet is just too damn weird for >any normal human being to understand. > >Also, do you think that your son may have manipulated him/her? What >child would not try and get away with something with the babysitter? Of >course, the worker may have just been an idiot too.... > >Bill Thanks, Bill, for the help. Last time I had set aside a shelf in my refrigerator, plus complete written instructions. I think the sitter was just trying to be nice, felt sorry for him, and gave him the forbidden food. It was just a bad mistake but hopefully won't happen again, it really set him back, it takes awhile for the food to get out of his system. You know what I have done is toss out most of the "poison" in this house, the processed cereals are gone now, they should have been all along, but my older kids liked the raisin bran from the health food store. Now, they will eat Old Fashioned oatmeal from scratch! The only possible poison would be some whole wheat bread in the freezer, I may have to toss that out just for that day, to get peace of mind. This diet is so crucial and a child's brain is at stake. I am also going to cook a huge pot of chicken soup, that will keep him full for awhile. This diet does work, he is again improving. I saw so much regression after the diet breakdown, it took him 2 to 3 days to recover. Now, the improvements are showing up again. Again, thanks, Bill, for thinking of me!!! Wish me luck this Thursday! Moira > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:50:51 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <88256544.0081B916.00@baxworld.com> Moira, Moira, you are an inspiration to us all ! P.S. Remember that oats are not allowed on the SCD either. Linda ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #89 **********************
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